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Author Topic: [NSFW?] What Jungle Fire really looks like.  (Read 79812 times)
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« on: Jan 03 '07, 03:09:45 »

Here's a question: why would a bunch of fur-covered cat people be in the habit of wearing human-style clothing? Aside from using something resembling clothing for protection when doing something messy, they probably wouldn't. Ferenabu are no exception; most of the time they run around butt naked except for their fur.

Yet the fere in the comic use clothing. What gives? There's the wookie rule: if it's covered in fur, it's not really naked. But we're not so sure that applies to short-haired furry critters... so we put the ferenabu in clothing, hiding all the naughty bits. Did I mention that we think it's cheesy to hide the naughty bits with conveniently placed hair, shadows, or leaves?

That doesn't mean that we're not aware of the true nature of the world we're showing. It just means that for the most part we can't show it. But there is a version of Jungle Fire comic that portrays our world the way it really is. A sort of an uncensored reference where the avali fashion can look see-through and there's no ambiguity on the gender of a ferenabu. Mind you, there's not much to show with the ferenabu females, because the fur is long enough to cover just about every female detail. Regardless, we thought that maybe you'd like to see an example.

Click here if you do. It's borderline NSFW.

Of course, some of the fere, like Rakyn, do wear clothing. Much like some humans wear jewelry.
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 03 '07, 03:26:16 »

Kittens will still wear panties in that version, though.  Naked children is one thing we don't feel is such a good idea in this day and age, even if there's still no in-story reason for it.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 03 '07, 04:10:38 »

I like it better with the clothes. In a way, the 'nakedness' of the character does bother me a little, and I don't know why, but it does. Sad  I love the story, the characters, and the art, and I totally understand the reasoning behind the Fere not wearing clothing, but my all too human mind feels that something is missing when they aren't wearing anything but their fur.  There's nothing wrong with them not wearing clothes, and there isn't anything wrong with them wearing clothes.

I also like seeing the creativity of the clothing that you have on all of your characters. You don't have to have a reason for them wearing clothes unless you wanted to. I've seen other comics that have a dog-like race, and they wear clothing, and nothing is odd about that. 

It all comes down to whether you want to take the story more to where it's NSFW and adult oriented. Y'all should do what you feel is artistically best for your story. Smiley   I'll still be here and read it no matter what. Smiley

hope I made sense *L*
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 03 '07, 04:35:51 »

Your reaction is very much a confirmation that we've been doing the right thing so far. Laughing 

(Mind you, I don't think being disconcerted by uncovered breasts is a human thing, but more cultural.  I had some college friends from africa who were confused by what a big deal was made out of breasts in the USA. One of them came from an area where women regularly went topless, but where showing anything between knees and waist...that was risque! )


You don't have to have a reason for them wearing clothes unless you wanted to. I've seen other comics that have a dog-like race, and they wear clothing, and nothing is odd about that. 

I think the reason for our quandry is because things "making sense" is one of the foundations of JF, even if I don't think it is important for all stories/worlds.

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It all comes down to whether you want to take the story more to where it's NSFW and adult oriented.

Well, heh, it was already going that way, regardless of the fere attire, so the clothes wouldn't change much.  We've considered it R from the beginning, even though it's pretty low key at first.  I'm not talking in terms of pr0n of course, but simply taking the lid off of a world that is, like our own, full of stuff we wouldn't want kids to have to deal with.

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« Reply #4 on: Jan 03 '07, 04:49:37 »

If that is "NSFW", then my world is ending!  Booze Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 03 '07, 04:56:44 »

I was going to mention tribes in Africa but couldnt work it in Laughing and yes, you are right,  my americanized / westernized mind Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: Jan 03 '07, 04:58:38 »

Great minds. Grin
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 03 '07, 08:01:48 »

(not gonna rant about cultural taboos - not gonna rant about cultural taboos - not gonna rant about cultural taboos...)

I think the thing that makes me the sorriest about the 'uncensored' version not seeing the light of day is that we're going to miss the beautiful shading on the fur of the Fere.

Having that hidden by a green wrap is a travesty of justice.

And you missed the wrap in the one panel there, where she's crouching. (grin)

-Breccia, who's NOT going to rant about stupid cultural taboos. Really.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 03 '07, 08:16:35 »

Actually, she's picking up a green blanket dealy that Vii moved around Wink

Agreed though, beautiful fur shading! Odd comment but... between this and the Elfquest fanart... you draw really good backs Grin
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 03 '07, 09:05:24 »

If video games have taught me anything(And they haven't) It's not a naked breast untill it has a nipple.  Food for thought

Honestly though, you're the artists. If you want your cat-people in naught but fur then ....So let it be written.  The rest of us will have to adapt. You can't be free to create if you have stop and ask your readers permission. If you feel naked cat-persons would make Junglefire what it should be, then it's the truth. It's your world after all. You make it and we'll read it. At least I know I will....And don't make two versions of it. That would just be odd

Just don't be shocked if you get some creepy furry freaks reading too. Let the depancing of the felines begin
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 03 '07, 21:39:41 »

Just don't be shocked if you get some creepy furry freaks reading too.

Say, speaking of furries, I've always been wondering, what is this whole "furry community" thing? I've heard if mentioned often, and it's spoken of as though it's a sort of a club and a sizeable one at that. And yet, you'd think we'd have caught the furries' attention by now, having cat people in the comic, and I don't think we have. So I'm thinking, is furry boobies and yiffing what the "furry" thing is about? I'm terribly curious.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 03 '07, 23:42:09 »

There's a bunch of types of furries I guess :p The creepy ones Feydir speaks of are those that design/dress up in fursuits at conventions, have extreme furry fetishes, and draw lots of furry porn as well as RPing on MUCKs or chatrooms as their furry selves.

I sort of brushed up against the community in late middle school and highschool, online anyways, and for the most part they're nice people... Just mainly off from what people consider normal in terms of social stigma. In a lot of ways, they're similar to sort of "free love" hippies, except with anthro personae.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 04 '07, 00:51:58 »

The whole thing is awfully confusing. My understanding has been that furries are people who like anthropomorphic critters. No social stigma implied any more so than with, say, your average MMORPG player. But then I hear about this amorphous "furry community" which does seem to have a stigma attached, along with fursuits and yiffing and furry boobies. It confounds.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 04 '07, 00:53:28 »

The difference falls as thus: those that identify themselves as furries, and those that are labeled as furries. The former are part of the community, the latter are people like you and me that like anthro critters and nothing more.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 04 '07, 00:58:01 »

/tangent

I wore a fursuit once. I was probably 5 years old and I had this "black cat" suit that was this full-body zip-up thing, but with a tail, and it was kinda fuzzy. I think there was even a hood with black ears. I lubbed wearing that thing and crawling around on the floor under the tables and chairs and meowing. Cat

Wow, talk about an old memory. Now I'm having flash backs to lincoln logs.  WTF?

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« Reply #15 on: Jan 04 '07, 03:02:41 »

I was a cat in a play once, I was the main charecter, I was the star.

*Flexes*

Except our princess was late, and I was supposed to be fat, and I weighed like 40 pounds..
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 04 '07, 13:55:00 »

Changing the comic to full nude fere's would not change my opinion of the comic, to be honest.
Perhaps it's my age showing, that I can abstract from it.
Or my cultural upbringing maybe.
It just seems fitting 'n' all.


/joins the tangent people

The furries is one things.
The creepy furry freaks another.
And the "Fuck Furries" as the freaks call them, something third that came from mars or something like that, they are WEIRD.

Interestingly enough, the freak furry community at large tends to recoil away from my Anker.net-personality, seems I'm too ... normal ?
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 04 '07, 16:21:49 »

Many furries feel that they have a deep spiritual connection with the animal community, most of them are carnivorous mammals  (wolves, tigers, panthers) or other smaller burrowing/scrounging/tricky mammals (ferrets,rabbits, racoons, foxes)

Alot of them like Gaia Online!

I brushed up with alot of the furry crowd in my lowerclassmen years but was put off because no one seemed to be interested in Earthworms or Seahorsi or trees or stuff like that. And like the most intense furry chick was like a total bitch.....like I kind of want to go find and slap her now.


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I don't really care about the naked....although that reminded me that cats have like more than one pair of breasts...

Also even if you do go naked they might have some minor clothing. just to protect their goods ya know? like aboriginal tribes....I think the walking on two legs rather than four is what it's about rather than fur and no fur.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 04 '07, 16:56:38 »

I don't really care about the naked....although that reminded me that cats have like more than one pair of breasts...

Also even if you do go naked they might have some minor clothing. just to protect their goods ya know? like aboriginal tribes....I think the walking on two legs rather than four is what it's about rather than fur and no fur.

Yeah... cats have more than one pair of breasts... they're also quadrupeds, not particularly bright, and their litters tend to consist of many kittens at a time Wink

In any case, I don't think ferenabu go entirely without clothing, even if fur is the de facto article of clothing. Protecting the fur from messiness, providing warmth, and just plain vanity, are reasons for wearing clothing. "Protecting their goods" is a non-issue, because they're pretty well protected to begin with.
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 05 '07, 02:17:38 »

Thought I'd reply to this as well:

If video games have taught me anything(And they haven't) It's not a naked breast untill it has a nipple.  Food for thought

I think we could get away with the female ferenabu being nude, because as you say, a boobie is not a boobie unless it has a nipple (albeit that wouldn't help with some of the avali fashion), and the fur is long enough to hide everything else. But the male parts are a lot harder to miss, and I don't think we'd get away with showing those.

"Get away with," as in not being classified as pr0n or Adult with capital A.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 06 '07, 11:46:26 »

Ah yes .. vanity would definately make them wear clothes. laugh
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 06 '07, 14:30:55 »

I like it either way. You guys decide.

I probably would be a bit uncomfortable seeing male naughty bits swinging in the breeze but that's just me.


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            One of my sisters played a monkey in an elementary school play and the costume my mom made was much like the kitty one Fox described; zip up with the pull on hat with the ears and even a long tail. It was handed down from sister to sister and worn as a halloween costume. Luckily by the time I wore it it was not fit to wear anymore and my brothers were spared. Thing was hot as heck! And October 31 is not always cold where I live.
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 06 '07, 23:31:30 »

I'm glad Feydir mentioned that he didn't see the value of two versions, because after further thought, we realized we agreed with that. 

So we thought more about how the fere are put together and came up with a way by which we can have just the one version and yet not be too "nekkidness in the face".

1.  smaller breasts on the females, except when they are nursing

2. proportions that make them just a smidgeon inhuman and "monstrous" - females, for example, have tiny waist, narrow hips, excessive swayback, and short but wide ribcage/shoulders. The small waist is somewhat reminiscent of how cats can be, after all.

3. A lower-back pouch that both genders wear. Since they are active and nomadic creatures, and they wouldn't want it bouncing around, they don't just wear it on a belt, but they have a full harness that goes around the waist and between the legs.  And leather straps (think rappelling harness) are not comfy between the legs...cloth is much nicer. So, yah, it may look like panties, but it's a harness. Really.  With no doubt colorful variations and sometimes it might fold over to be  a loincloth, if the piece of cloth is long and they don't want to cut it.

It's still going to happen that they'll be clothingless at times. They don't wear their pouches aaaall the time.  But this is more clothed than we originally were thinking.

And there are those that wear more clothing at times, just cuz. 

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« Reply #23 on: Jan 07 '07, 00:22:46 »

Speaking of the ferenabu, we've already alluded to that there are, broadly, two different races of ferenabu. There's one that lives in colder, mountainous regions, and one that lives in warmer lowlands. The particular group we've shown so far is mostly warm-climate ferenabu, while Rakyn came from the cold-climate stock, so Irianta is a blend of the two.

The cold-climate fere are climbers and tend to be stronger and more agile, whereas the warm-climate fere tend to emphasize speed and endurance. You could say that warm-climate fere have most of their strength in their legs, whereas the cold-climate ones have their strength distributed evenly between upper and lower body.
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« Reply #24 on: Jan 08 '07, 16:40:41 »

Interesting, I reckon that the Rakyn we have seen so far has been in his summer-fur ?
How much fur could a cold-climate Fere have ?
Are there sub-races within those ?



... for some odd reason, an image of an old, shaggy, mean, one-eyed, white-siberian-tiger-like ferenabu came to mind when I read what Kael wrote. A regular bad guy of a Ferenabu. He would be huge, strong, white and still able to somehow hide in the dark, his one eye glowing malevolently yellow/orange in the dark as a supressed flame of violence just wanting to be released. Sitting there creeping you out as he licks his wide mouth of teeth & fangs, yellowed with age. Like something straight out of an Inspector Carnado cartoon!


.... oh yeah, that was a bit of derail I guess, sorry about that. Grin
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